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- 8. 2. 2000 12:41:10, Olga G.
passions concerning social stratification did not cool down Yet, I hurry to ask a question, very important for me, of special schools. I know about the atmosphere in them only by hearsay. And rumors repeat that from needy families it is better for children not to be put there. But how to the child to make the way in life in life without excellent knowledge of a foreign language? In school for us in a year, and it is possible also through 2. Meanwhile I did not notice special abilities to study for the daughter, ambitions, aspirations to achievement of the objectives - too. Itself does not want to read, for example, (or cannot). Maybe everything will change in a year? We have nearby the French school, English - to walk minutes 40. Whether it is worth aspiring there? Speak, it is necessary goes to training courses at least in a year there to arrive + a sponsor`s contribution (how many?) . But the most important what warn such as we against that children from needy families are “killed“ morally there, let know who is who, are on friendly terms by the principle that who has (the computer, etc.) . Whether so it? Very much I ask to share experience of those at whom children study at language schools NOW (not private, of course). And still - about loading how there it is heavy to study the child without outstanding abilities.
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U in the 6th class of English special school. Too the child with average abilities, but it is not so bad! These abilities quite are enough that the child studied as a chetverochka, and such as it, the most part of a class. Actually there are no poor students there at all and why and because if these schools and differ from usual, then in my opinion the fact that there parents take care of the children. Programs of course difficult, on English, for example, at two courses are engaged at once - Oxford + Vereshchagina, German from the fifth class. Practically all, are brought up with tutors from time to time and it is considered norm. Therefore if the child “does not pull“, parents as a rule transfer him to usual school not to torment. To compare a special school to courses in general it is ridiculous. I, for example, at usual school had 5 on English, it means, not a bad conversational level still, but my daughter already speaks better me. Besides, I am very happy that the daughter studies at the atmosphere of prestige of education what at usual school I do not observe. And I am glad to the fact that it is relieved of need to communicate with any, I`m sorry, silly persons - addicts from dysfunctional families. Concerning downtroddenness of children from needy families, too rumors are strongly exaggerated. We have a good school on Pure ponds, children from families with different prosperity, but I never in five years heard something from the child, any stories on this subject. So that I think advantages of similar schools are obvious, and all problems with receipt are worth it that to overcome them. (School No. 1284, the truth I cannot remember the name of the street now, and the daughter sleeps. More true not the street, but deadlock. If visually you represent this area, then the school is almost at once behind Lukoil building, towards the Garden ring.)
- 8. 2. 2000 17:23:32, Yulya studied
Ya itself in a special school (English), and after university worked at school of 5 years (from so-called“ schools of new type“). I have a strong conviction - everything depends from ped. collective and director. Because my former special school remained to ordinary itself school with profound studying of English, was not renamed into some gymnasium, a college or still something, and remained same as was 15 years ago! About this school almost everything was written by Katya, it is strange, almost still. It is more than when I still was a pregnant woman, we joked houses - with a garden difficult to tell, and with school thank God everything is defined for the child - it will go there, undoubtedly. And here at school where I worked, there are so much trick - a nightmare, and I pound... Only when there is a cool teacher! And still, is, I do not know how to call, the general atmosphere, perhaps, at school, a class when it is prestigious to study well. For it respect. About itself - at us it was quoted among themselves, not estimates, no, but here if you thought quicker, or knew something deeper (astronomy there or that else) - this a class! At us and over teachers of a subsplitting were some intellectual that - whether. I advised school for the son to the employee recently (9y a class, they lived in the suburbs, according to stories in school - the authority of a fight, and only, the guy fairly clever degraded in the eyes: what I, am the cleverest and it is necessary to me most?) . Now he studies - from a table drive away houses, sports some interest appeared, and the slogan exchanged - what I, growing ugly all? Here I also think - it is necessary to choose school not on special effects, everything that the school does not give? it is possible to learn on courses, but as a rule, at schools where it is prestigious to study, this atmosphere does not arise from anywhere, and goes only from teachers, and not only subject teachers for example of English, and mathematicians, biologists, etc. Reference: from my schoolmates nobody came to HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS in the specialty “the novel - the German philology“, as a result all have a specialty, sometimes two + language. What and to our children I wish!
- 8. 2. 2000 15:40:16, ket finished with
Ya itself a special school, however, with German, now the daughter goes in 2 there - oh a class. At the same time I am divorced as you know, an income level - very average. I very well felt at this school, I was lucky on good teachers. I cannot tell that the school solved everything, but in my life precisely solved a lot of things: 1) education level (even not language) unambiguously higher, than at other schools, all my schoolmates whom from - for the three did not take in 9 - y a class were admitted to usual schools and some finished with gold medals; 2) at receipt in technical institute and when training in it constantly said to me that the special school, i.e. ability to study, good memory is felt (language!) etc., 3) by job search even not perfect knowledge of language - big plus, 4) during travel, without knowing absolutely still then English, could communicate in German and in general feel more surely. And in general I am grateful to the school for everything, I studied very well, the class consisted of very different children, different families, maybe, of a problem and were, I do not remember. Now we meet, there are no problems, though was died differently. About arrival of my daughter. We in general had a hard case: she did not utter a half of the alphabet. I one year prior to receipt gave it in logop. a garden, there to it corrected the speech, she was engaged in a pro-gymnasium at this school (take everyone, payment not draconian), frankly speaking, the special result was not, she learned to write and consider also before, but if you want to be admitted to school, it is necessary to go to these courses, with them there and - go a class studied language according to the program 1. We live nearby, but in a class at Dasha is full of children who live near not really. Yes, there are a lot of children of the former pupils that the truth, the truth. But it about says only that we, growing, would like for the children only of such school, the truth? German - with 1 - go a class, English - with 5 - go. I did not pay for anything money, Dasha passed tests and arrived, 90% which are trained in a pro-gymnasium many just arrived asked to come in a year (to whom 6 and 6,5 years, take in school with 7 - mi). 1 - 4 - initial classes, in 1 - ohm the program very much was easy, I in general was surprised that it is called study. A mark is not given still (3 - I am a quarter 2 - go a class), only in a notebook, and in the diary of the five and four, but any quarter and annual. Physical culture, music, drawing, dances - special teachers (unlike usual schools). Requisitions are small, only necessary. I as the lonely mummy do not pay for lunches (when my daughter eats at school), I do not pay for protection (in my opinion, about 15 - ti rub/month). Children in our class - very rovnenky, it is even difficult to allocate someone. In parallel - there are a lot of children of so-called sponsors, on them also left 10% of places at school. I understand the head mistress, but made cool repair in the same initial classes, European-quality repair in toilets and upholstered furniture was put in halls. I.e. at desire there is nothing impossible. BUT! At us the special English school is near, there it is impossible to get, the refined children and only for money study there. The boy from our yard, the clear head who lived with parents in England 2 years and stirring in English as on native, graduated fine school of esthetic development did not take from - for what his mother could not make will enter. the contribution is more than 1000 dollars. Studies in a gymnasium now, are dissatisfied with constantly changing program and too financially anxious teachers. If there were any questions to me, set, I will be glad to answer.
- 8. 2. 2000 15:4:2, Tatyana I do not know
, Olya, probably, a special school to a special school discord. My daughter studies in the 3rd class of the English special school now. English began to be taught at us from the 2nd class, from the seventh will be, for choice, nemetsy or French. Our history can it is atypical, but nevertheless, to be admitted to this school and it is possible to study in it to the daughter. Moreover, almost all with whom the daughter studies now, attended training courses at school. We did not do it as the daughter went to kindergarten (the most usual, municipal) and preparation for school was carried out at the very good level there. To drive the child specially in school on occupations I had no opportunity. At receipt in school we had an interview, the child came into a class one and left in 20 - 30 minutes. Then hung out lists. Probably, the fact that we entered the territory of this school mainly affected (though the director said that had interview it she will not rescue). Well, we arrived. While the child has problems with a letter “P“. Uniform sponsor`s payment, any money for preparatory training, even was NOT boxes of chocolates. The only moment which I had to settle: us, on - to the beginning, defined in a paid 1 class, but I flatly refused (there English was from the first class, but in the second they were compared in the program to free). We have no special requisitions, maybe, only for protection of school. And that, parents after crisis were indignant, we wrote the collective letter on reduction of a payment. Now it makes 20 rubles a month. We pay money only for handbooks on English (textbooks, cartridges etc. ). But you will not do without it. Now about “clogging“. I do not know. We have, in principle, children enough from uniform families, with rare exception. But this exception - the clever, modest, raised children (for example, the daughter of the famous astronaut). And, in general, as ours told the director of studies, almost all children from incomplete families now. Perhaps this exaggeration, but such is a lot of. We had no disagreements of a material order yet. I am disturbed by another: children became very cruel, especially boys. Seniors do not feel sorry for younger, can trip up a pervachka, look as he cries and to laugh. This, really, problem. The feeling of permissiveness at some children is present. They know that their parents can put to the place of ANYONE. Also behave respectively. But it belongs to the senior classes more. We yet, thank God, do not have it. And this question, seems to me, is not connected only with special schools. Loading at us at school sufficient, but moderately. What will be farther - I do not know. In principle, I am happy with our teachers. Solve, Olga. I consider that it is cheaper and simpler to get good basic education at special school as besides language the level of teaching and other objects is higher, than at usual school.
- 8. 2. 2000 14:36:7, Alla
I Impart experience, however, unsuccessful. To us to go to school this fall (at the end of August there will be 7), so I began to carry out reconnaissance last fall. We in the area have one filched - the English school (not private, but the best in the area). I learned what there is about - a gymnasium, and like those children who went to it, take then in the first class without problems. Well, in a gymnasium we were sent away at once because we were not from that area from where to this school children are attributed. I began to look for roundabout ways, namely - protection. Generally, not to torment you not with the necessary details, I will tell, I broke at a stage when a lirektor already took us in the first class at once. But here it happened neperedvidenny, the child at me is engaged with the logopedist, and the head mistress, having learned about it, began to shout: “What do you take me for a ride here, take away time?“ but up to this point nobody about it asked me (of course, the silly woman, could guess). Generally, my opinion on such schools 0 - especially negative. I know the mummy who attached in this school of the son (whom expelled from a garden, and all of us breathed sigh of relief), having got a job in this school to work with the cleaner. I know one papashka which paid for that the child was taken in this school, about 2. 000 dollars. It agrees that language is really given very good there, but I think that all this hassle of that is not necessary. Moreover, knew personally the people who ended special schools and not having language practice who very quickly lost all skills. It seems to me that it is better or to go to some group of kids (there are such teachers who at home at themselves will organize occupations) or where - nibud like a circle. Yours faithfully, Alla
- 8. 2. 2000 15:1:13, Yasya
seems to me that language school at all not a limit of dreams. Language language, but how many now people from the Faculty of foreign languages only knowledge of language insufficiently cannot find for anything work just because. Well, that to translate fiction, also the talent is necessary, and other professions? Well, secretary? It agrees with Alla, both language and practice is necessary. And the specialty therefore I see such plan is for this purpose desirable: usual school and courses of language - lyceum in the specialty - higher education institution. And, thank God, so far it is possible to come to lyceums brains, but not grandmas. Here still there is a problem, children from special schools early begin to feel some elite, but, alas, is often absolutely groundless. And this high self-esteem not too helps with life. I do not apply for an inclusiveness of my theory, for certain there are exceptions, but the tendency is traced. And on the fact that your child with average abilities, you can be mistaken, but in my opinion it is better for child to be one of the best in usual school, than one of the worst in abrupt. At least for the period of elementary school when the consciousness is formed. If he gets used to be the best, then being even transferred to stronger school will try to be up “to standard“. And here if gets used to be lagging behind, then alas.
- 10. 2. 2000 22:6:45, Arina
of Yasya, and I here do not agree with you! The English school studies at all not to make language the profession. From our 2 classes any (!!!) the person did not arrive on filfak. But you do not receive such knowledge of language what the special school gives in any circle, in my opinion. From the second, and even from a feather class, the child will have English every day! Moreover we had much any another: a competition of the English and American song, birthday of Shakespeare, St. Valentine`s Day, the English theater where put Shaw, Shakespeare, Mark Twain. It is the special atmosphere which can very hardly be created somewhere in a circle or with the tutor. Yes, it agrees, a special school to a special school discord. I in a class at the majority had parents engineers or doctors. In next - state. officials, local celebrities and governor`s son. But this business of parents - in advance to find out what circle of pupils, how comfortably your child will feel what there teachers. We, besides English, had very strong chemistry, literature, mathematics. Yes, it agrees, children from special schools early begin to feel elite: but one business - to feel intellectual elite, and another - the new Russian! At us in a class it was prestigiously excellent to study, to understand something, the nobility is a lot of. I arrived in universitett together with several schoolmates, and believe,which of us did not suffer from arrogance, above others did not feel, appeared fully friends not from special schools at all. And fortunately, nothing at us at school izmnitsya since then, at my girlfriends there already children study. The director - my Englishwoman, the teacher from God. If lived not in the States, led the if only there.
- 11. 2. 2000 15:24:55 Well, probably, you are right
, a language special school, with traditions, it, probably, is healthy. But my experience of communication with graduates of language schools shows that everything is not so kind. But I cannot lucky. Me then here what interests - whether much to the people from this school entered to technical colleges? I it to the fact that it is already necessary to be defined to school, the humanist the child or the technician?
- 11. 2. 2000 17:14:12, ket
Ya entered after a language special school to technical college - Moscow power on automatic equipment and will calculate. to the technician. At learning of foreign language those sites of a brain which are responsible for logic and memory of the person so the mathematics went on “hurrah!“ are stimulated as well as physics, and chemistry. Problems any were not. Language is not the humanist in pure form. At us several people came to a faculty of foreign languages, to Maurice Theresa, many - to technical colleges: MEPhI, MAI, the Bauman, my MEI - 5 people. Unambiguously, very useful step - a special school. And the gradation is at any school and not always on knowledge. To feel intellectual elite is a class for the child!
- 11. 2. 2000 22:34:32, Natasha Rolling
, and I studied in MEI as AVTF! It is necessary as it`s a small world! Perhaps, we are even familiar personally? By the way, I graduated from humanitarian school from the historian - a literary bias that did not prevent me to enter to technical college (where I dreamed from the 8th class) and to end it with the diploma with honors.
- 11. 2. 2000 16:49:1, Yulya
Sorry, you not me asked, but I about the experience will tell: at us almost everything - or in technical, or economy, or still something similar. On philology - one young lady only. From a stream. And so, I think that in a special school it is just remarkable - if the humanist the child - everything is normal and if the technician - that still plus language - the fact that it is necessary! Of course, provided that at school with teachers on those. also we designate not - to language objects everything is OK. At us was so. Yulya
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