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National grove in Cherepovets. Maria Zubova:“ It is possible to come to talk to the tree. They it love“

As well as it was promised, organizers of “A national grove“, and also to young people, still on December 15 and 16 were carried out by an unfledged resource of VKontakte under the name “Cherepovets Agora“ two the Internet - conferences with the young professionals taking active part in creation and implementation of the National Grove project in Cherepovets by Maria Zubova and Dmitry Izokh.

Who these still absolutely young people? Maria Zubova, head of department of ecological education and ecological tourism of the Darwin reserve. Dmitry Izokh, the architect, the head of architectural bureau “Izokh and Partners“, working at once on several architectural projects including in “genre“ of small architectural forms.

There is no sense to give both the Internet - conferences which sometimes in the eyes turned into very brisk discussions, completely. Therefore we will be limited to the most interesting excerpts and, sometimes, the related comments.

1. The Internet - conference with Maria Zubova

the Question:

- Where in Cherepovets, from the point of view of the ecologist, it is the best of all to put “A national grove“?

Maria Zubova
- From the point of view of ecology the grove can be put anywhere, breeds which we will put in the concrete place can differ. I already said that zasheksninskiya and &ndash plywood; the areas which are most deprived in sense of gardening.

Dmitry Izokh
- I consider that it is necessary to plant trees in the most defective places to restore feeling of the nature in areas and to purify if not air in general, then emotionally - a mental background at inhabitants of this place. I think that people against the nature have to become if is not kinder then is quieter.

Question:
- Zasheksninsky district - this defective place?

Maria Zubova
- In zasheksninsky is not present the place which would carry out landshaftno - recreational function. Where mothers could take a walk with carriages, pensioners and in general there can walk only on shops and sidewalks overlooking shops.

Dmitry Izokh
- From the point of view of ecology and! The biggest steam of cars, the biggest density of building plus a north which drives gas and dust to this area, and perfect lack of green plantings in quarters. From the point of view of modern architecture where the house is inseparably linked with the nature, ZShK looks just as an assemblage of concrete, glass and metal. In the future in this area there will be both a park, and the lake, but it will occur only in new part of the area which is not constructed yet. And in existing there will be couple more of motor shows and several high-rise buildings with the close yards filled cars... Judge! Though on October would land the self-cut lindens as it was made in Vologda on Leningrad (the area similar ZShK)...

Maria Zubova
- At design of ZShK green zones since the general norm at town planning in the USSR was were initially planned, but during active building with 90 - x probably just spat these norms. And now, when on GOChS ZShK ceased to get to a danger zone from - for changes of a wind rose building goes in general without laying of gardening...

Maria Zubova
- And into the account of the concrete place, it is necessary to look what there the soil since oaks (though can develop in various soil conditions) well develop only on rich soils. And if there instead of the earth construction debris, couple more mashins is required by the chernozem.

Question:
- What breeds of trees best of all get accustomed in Cherepovets and at the same time do not create problems?

Andrey Viktorov
- the Poplar:) if in time to cut off them. To be exact special grades of poplars. there are which without down.

Maria Zubova
- Generally, a poplar dvudomny plants, “ pushat “ only female individuals so for gardening of the cities it is necessary to land only man`s copies. Grades without down much, however, not all of them frost-resistant is removed too... And by and large, poplar excellent option!!! it is

Andrey Viktorov
- But leaving is necessary... can eat dwarfish a poplar?

Olga Nikitina
- Than a linden is bad?

Maria Zubova
- is not bad))). Unless Olga Nikitina
grows more slowly than

- But not worse air clears and when blossoms, so also smells of honey. On Arkhangelsk lime park - just a charm grew!

Maria Zubova
- Yes same 20 it is necessary to wait for years so far it will blossom...

Olga Nikitina
- Well... to park on Arkhangelsk years 10 at most

the Question:
- What it is better to put beyond Sheksna (in those places which are specified on cards)?

Maria Zubova
- I Think better to put breeds not really difficult in cultivation: pine, larch, fir-tree. fir, oak, nut Manchurian. elm, linden, maple, birch, alder, aspen, poplar.

Dmitry Izokh
- I like pines and fir-trees, in general love coniferous, but for a noise isolation of the next houses will be better dense to plant bushes and deciduous trees whose krone begins at the height of 1 - 2 m from the earth and Maria Zubova
comes to an end somewhere on 6 - 9 m

- It is a question not of a grove, but gardening of streets, on this work there are norms and rules)

the Question:
- What breeds it is the best of all to put around Soviet and why?

Andrey Viktorov
- it is better to ask It ecologists.

Maria Zubova
- For a start it is necessary to know what soil there. And what specifically the place means?

Olga Nikitina
- If that which on a photo, it is given for construction. With Soviet in general it is problematic from the point of view of planting of trees since the free soil there practically of

Maria Zubova
- Here I also think where there to put?

Igor Vasyukov
- Maria, and is still the town, near “ skyscraper “ on K. Libkhnekht. It absolutely near Soviet. There decent territory and only three trees... Probably, there were going to put something, but process did not go.

Maria Zubova
- Igor, and is thoughts of that why trees do not get accustomed there though they set them periodically?) )

Igor Vasyukov
- Frankly speaking, no. Because I never it treated, as any problem. But passed by this place a few days ago. It is visible: that the town is protected under something GREEN. It is 1. The second. It is suspicious that there is nothing! Just waste ground.

Maria Zubova
- There the opened place, constant wind and probably the soil bad - boggy, can a fertile layer on a shovel bayonet there, I do not know, did not dig there, but what there from 50 trees got accustomed 3 pushes on certain reflections...
Earlier to be remembered there, apparently, grew a poplar, somebody remembers?

Dmitry Izokh
- On Soviet is better to put the cultural park breeds growing not above 3kh floors it will allow to keep the developed street height.

Question: - Where in the city it is the best of all to put an oak grove?

Maria Zubova
- IMHO the Oak grove very organically would look about Galsky` estate.

Dmitry Izokh
- Yes, agrees. But only our great-grandsons will be able to admire it...

Maria Zubova
- Well, here as in a parable about the grandfather and an apple-tree)))))

the Question: - Than we can be helped by experience Greenpeace?

Maria Zubova
- In 2004 Council Greenpeace published a methodical grant “ How to grow up the wood “. In it detailed recommendations about cultivation of the most raprostranenny breeds of trees are made. greenpeace. org/russia/ru/campaigns/forests.
Reference www. greenpeace. org How to grow up the wood

Maria Zubova
- this year is executed 10 years to the program Greenpeace “ Let`s revive our wood “. It is possible to get acquainted with it here greenpeace. org/russia/ru/multimedia/videos.

Question: - Maria, and is experience of use of these methodical grants in the conditions of the city?

Maria Zubova
- Experience is, these are generally programs of gardening of territories of schools, ds, schools and others educational and the Question educational institutions

: - What should be done to grow up a healthy tree?

Maria Zubova:
- It is necessary that the tree had enough food, a minimum of the injuring factors and the growth conditions suitable for it (see the principles of the choice and a combination of trees)

the Question:
- It is How put and can be labor-consuming process of care of trees in “A national grove“?

Andrey Viktorov
- So far trees young that is not labor-consuming, but is frequent. If to create normal krone, then it will be on long. it is also necessary to pave the way correctly.

Maria Zubova
- Not quite agrees with Andrey, depending on what for trees. Suddenly you want to grow up a cedar or a thuja. Let`s decide on breeds.

Dmitry Izokh

- In Vologda the street which is most loaded by cars turned into darling for foot walks over time... Beautiful bushes and the self-cut lindens (or willows - here I am not an expert) dense disembarkation on a dividing strip changed the street cardinally. Now there walk and ride bicycles :)
is the Leningradskaya Street originating in historical part of the city and going to the most popular district of Vologda. Also as well as at us has the bridge on which walks people not less than by cars. Somehow so it developed that on Lenigradskaya the main Vologda walking route the House - Leningrad - the Center - Leningralskaya - the House laid down. Ours October and Steelmakers can become it. At us it is the most beautiful streets of modern building! :)

Question:
- What factors have to be considered without fail when landing any trees. And in this regard, what area in Cherepovets is optimum for landings?

Dmitry Izokh
- it is important to consider tree growth rate because to observe decades on “ saplings “ will quickly bother. Noticed that I have a tree “ brother “ - The Pine at the dacha which grows together with me. To me year to it year, me to 20 it twenty, only over the years it in growth overtook me! :)
Is also important to provide purely technical features: urgency of wood what was not provided when landing poplars. The structure of root system that did not spoil the bases of buildings and communication systems. Return of oxygen on Wednesday, as efficiency of fight against CO2 - the carbon dioxide which is constantly collecting in the cities. Appearance during the different periods of year to observe bright leaves in the fall - fine, to observe naked black branches in the winter - sadly! Well and growth of a tree, in urban architectural environment of Cherepovets is the scale which cannot be broken too big or too small trees!

Maria Zubova
- besides still to consider the injuring factors (mechanical, chemical), it is especially important for saplings. Gas-firmness, frost resistance, need for certain soils, combination of breeds of trees and bushes,

Question:
- As you consider what the rank-and-file member « has to do; National grove “ that with its tree (trees) everything was in an order (and in the course of landing and further)?

Dmitry Izokh
- I think that if the person believes that if his tree is live and healthy, then and in his life everything is settled. That is, showing care of a tree, the person could think that he cares for himself. It can try to be reached if to impart tradition to plant trees in the wedding day, both a ceremony beautiful and newlyweds believe in dependence of the happiness on health of their family tree and the city is more green. I think, people will look after the trees! Well, or in the old manner - collective work - community work day to us in the help!

Maria Zubova
- Good idea, or on the child`s birth, for example a tree to plant.

Question:
- But if, say, I am absolutely a layman?!) )

Maria Zubova
- Not everything, of course are ready to spend the time for care of landings. But percent 15 will visit and look after the trees, and maybe not only the.
Leaving: during a drought - to water; to fence saplings that did not mow and did not tread; if ached (for example with mealy dew) a vitriol to spray, cutting of krone is not obligatory... so on a vskidka it seems told everything. Well, it is possible to come to talk to the tree, they love it)))))))

Dmitry Izokh
- to Water a tree, to clean the broken-off boughs and not to allow to accrue around a tree trunk to the new escapes ruining a maternal tree. On an entrance to a grove it is necessary to make a beautiful billboard on which to place the instruction for care of a tree in pictures! :) Maria Zubova
- Still forgot

... Cleaning of garbage, differently will be a dump...

Dmitry Izokh
- it is right, for garbage it is possible to make beautiful ballot boxes with division according to materials, bottles in a blue box, wrappers in red...

Maria Zubova
- By the way, summer watering - very sore point. If the summer is dry and hot all our landings simply “ will burn out “ and if just without rains is - the situation will develop not strongly best of all. If to put at the river, it is simpler. threw a call, gave buckets and everything and if in the center of the residential district... To ask &ndash water from establishments; they will ask to pay - they have counters and standards of consumption and the program for energy saving... To ask municipals - they have a budget and not the fact that they for this purpose will allocate a water cart. Well... who has what ideas?

Igor Vasyukov
- Maria and how many water approximately it will be required on a tree in such situations?

Maria Zubova
- Igor, about 2 - 3 buckets on a tree daily, in the fall watering stops a month before a leaf fall, in the spring (till June) watering of times a week. And in general still look on weather, temperature, an amount of precipitation. On it both do zagushchenny landings and sow herbs and bushes that water was late

the Question better:
- And for how many it is approximately possible to grow up a grove (miniumum - a maximum) that it was the full-fledged element of an urban environment?

Dmitry Izokh
- the Monetary policy can be any:
1) from each Resident of Cherepovets on 10r,
2) Severstal pays for everything (it is not sure that it will be interesting to it, but after all there would be a beautiful PR-action)
3) we open free business - space for certain directions in this place (sport, public catering etc.)
If about Time that 7 - 10 summer saplings already have a trade dress of :)

Maria Zubova
- It depends on the growth rate of trees as soon as they (trees) grow to the adult &ndash form; there will be a grove)))) So everything depends on trees which we will plant

the Question from tomorrow`s conference with the architect Dmitry Izokh.

- Whether there are no problems in a combination of trees (grove) and small architectural forms there. And in what it can be shown?

Dmitry Izokh
- the Small &ndash forms; it is the most mobile and flexible form of architecture. They can be without the bases and is not just under a tree, but even on a tree :) I am afraid that education of our fellow citizens who in a secluded corner behind foliage can organize wine parties or fights will influence more... France fights against it as follows - cut off all lower branches at height to 3kh m from the earth to keep we look through an awn of all territory of park.

Maria Zubova
- Without MAFOV recreational function of a grove will be conditional. Lighting, paths, benches etc. is necessary. We do not want to turn ours a child into a brothel for drunkards or the place for maniacs))) I.e. it has to be extremely the rendered habitable place. Where there is a wish to be, walk, come, to come back. That did not begin to work “ the principle of the broken » window; constantly it is necessary to observe and look after him.

Question:

- We in Cherepovets already have large parks. From your point of view, Maria what of them are created taking into account all nuances of a park agriculture, and what that is called “ got diseases “ at the birth, operation?

Maria Zubova

- If it is honest, then I do not possess so exact information. I know that the Komsomol park is very interesting in the plan prtypes oizrastayushchy there. There are a lot of introduced species.
U me the initial scheme of park of the two-hundredth anniversary is, there everything was very competent, in my opinion, is planned. What it turned now into, and concerning modern buildings in the territory of our parks it is other history, but in general it is silent horror. Silent because all this is somehow suppressed, and a question important. Same it is illegal in principle, but probably at builders was good “ shaggy paw “ only these can explain free emergence on a map of the city of such objects.

Question:

- From where it is possible to take (where to get) saplings? How many they stand approximately?

Dmitry Izokh
- I Suggest to carry out an action for the summer: under the law in the Russian Federation along fences of garden sites there should not be trees at distance of 15 m. In this zone all under cutting down. On my supervision along the fences people and so cut down everything and constantly fight against new young trees. Let`s them dig out and we will bring.

Maria Zubova
- the Question No. 1 transport - on what we will take out them from there? question No. 2 - the place of storage, can to us it will not be possible to replace them at once. a question No. 3 if a tree quite adult, it is necessary to take with it a big lump of the earth for landing, and brute physical force or equipment is for this purpose necessary. I will not lift a tree with the earth precisely).
It I not that idea bad, it remarkable, and at us in the reserve it is possible to dig out excellent landing material. but these questions remain...
In the Darwin reserve can take subgrowth of oaks, a Manchurian nut, coniferous and birches.

Question:
- What printsipv should be considered at group of plants of different types and breeds?

Maria Zubova

- At group of plants in a grove it is important to consider the ecological, phytocenotic and physiognomical principles.

That is, it is important how concrete species of trees and bushes:

- interact with environment (soils, temperature, humidity, a gas contamination etc. Discrepancy of conditions is reflected that hour in appearance of plants and speed of their growth. For example: oaks love deep chernozems, the degraded chernozems, gray forest loams; in the construction debris often replacing the soil in the cities sickly ugly forms grow.
“ National grove “ in Cherepovets. Maria Zubova: “ We have to consider all principles when planning our grove “

- interact with with each other (in the mixed woods certain species of trees especially well get on together and are adapted to each other)
For example: beneficial effect is exerted at each other by a birch and an ash-tree, an oak and a beech, a pine and an alder and on the contrary an ash-tree and a beech, the oak and a walnut negatively influence at each other.

- are beautifully and effectively combined with each other (there has to be a harmonious combination of appearance, a form, texture and color) On landscape, as well as on other art compositions, are also applicable: law of simplicity, law of domination, law of harmony etc. For example: listopadny trees look better against coniferous since it emphasizes seasonal changes in coloring.

In oak groves the accompanying breeds: linden, maple acutifoliate and field, pear, apple-tree, bird cherry, filbert, guelder-rose, euonymus.
Is still a fir grove (a fir, a pine, a birch, an aspen, an oak, a linden, a filbert) of
a pine forest (a broom, a karagana, a genista, a birch, a juniper, a maple, a filbert, an oak),
a listvenichnik (a honeysuckle, a dogrose, a meadowsweet, a fir-tree, a fir),
a birch forest (a pine, a maple, a fir-tree, a fir, the blossoming bushes) of
These types of communities - the natural prirody combinations which developed as a result of long development.

We have to consider all principles when planning our grove.
Therefore, would be desirable to decide quicker on the place, suddenly there oaks will not grow at all, or the pine forest with the accompanying breeds among which, by the way, and an oak will be better to look)))